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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jan 19, 2006 7:25pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

This is a really interesting question, and i'm especially curious b/c I have not boycotted the official GD web site per se, but, as I said from the beginning of this controversy, I have not frequented it NEARLY as much as I used to simply b/c of the high quality shows being removed from the archive.

I can better explain it this way, through the wisdom of THE SIMPSON'S:

Remember when Apu (manager of the local Kwik-E-Mart) lived w/the Simpsons and asked Marge where to put the cans of corn? She said "In the cupboard" and he said "Oh, they'll never move that way" and proceeded to put the cans out in display on the countertop. Sure enough Bart and Lisa walk by and see the cans and say "Wow, corn! Haven't had that in a while" and they each take a can. (Stick w/me here, I DO have a point).

And that is that, personally, before I found the archive, I would only occassionally check in w/the official GD site; I knew the Dix Pix were only offered about once eevry 3 months so I would forget about it and once in a while check. When I saw something i liked, I';d buy.

But w/the SBD's available on archive, I had my Dead battery recharged. The shows only whetted my appetite for more, and I found myself going to the GD site and BUYING more and more...older Dix Pix I had passed by; other items, older CD's, boxed sets, you name it.

and already since the SBD';s went away i've gone to the official site less and less. Basically, out of sight, out of mind.

I think the decision to remove the SBDs was really at its core a bad move for Bobby and the rest ECONOMICALLY for the very reason that Apu demonstrated to Marge.

If you remove the tantalization of the shows, the other items won't move nearly as well.

I only know this from my own experience. Maybe others would disagree. But i'd sure love to see a study done based on this "Apu theory."

GC

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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: Jan 19, 2006 9:32pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

you are absolutely correct....w/o a doubt!
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 19, 2006 9:42pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

superb analogy grendel!! although i visit this site almost as regularly as before (tons of great music still here), i certainly don't visit the dead's site much at all. that sour taste just wont go away while bobby's oh-so-carefully-chosen-words "see ya" are still resonating on my eardrums.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jan 19, 2006 9:54pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

yeah, that still stings.

Much like Diana reigns in the bitter and uncivilized posts that sometimes denigrate the otherwise worthy and important discussion of this emotionally charged issue, I think it was really unofrtunate that Bob chose to dismiss so readily the very fans that out him in such an economically fortuitous vantage point in the first place.

BTW, please continue to recommend high quality sounding and well played AUD's you find here. Always like your reviews.

GC

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Poster: N.Y. JACK Date: Jan 19, 2006 10:20pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

WHY ARE SO MANY FREAKING OUT? AFTER ALL THE GOODTIMES,GREAT MUSIC,AND GREAT PEOPLE WE ALL HAVE MET THRU THE YEARS. I GUESS ALOT OF PEOPLE JUST DONT GET IT.
THE BAND HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT.

IF YOU WROTE A BOOK WOULD YOU GIVE IT AWAY FOR FREE?

THERE IS SO MUCH FREE MUSIC HERE YOU COULD NOT LISTEN TO IN A LIFE TIME.

YOU SHOULD THANK YOUR LUCKY STARS INSTEAD OF CRYING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT.

WHATS THE BIG DEAL?

WATCH EACH CARD AND TAKE IT SLOW

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 19, 2006 11:32pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

not quite sure to whom you are referring, but i don't see that either myself nor GC are "freaking out" over this. at the moment, this seems like a relatively calm discussion concerning an interesting subject.

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Poster: guygee Date: Jan 20, 2006 12:05am
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

I totally agree grendel, for most of the Dick's Pick's I have bought the awareness came from browsing this site first. It was like, "I'm tired of my 10th gen cassette copy", then before the Archives it was on to checking etree ftp servers or bt.etree or Furthernet every day for somebody to seed the show. Finally, I found out about the Music Archives and would go to look it up, and it would say "Buy Dick's Pick 24". Cool, so I would go and buy it. Now, there is no way in my entire remaining life I could afford to go buy all those SBDs. I am not even going to try.

To understand how some people feel so betrayed, you have to go back to the beginnings of etree. Before that, trading unfortunately meant trying to get into some elitist trading circle. But, partly in reaction to online mp3 pollution, etree really opened everything up for lossless trading, and thousands of people devoted a signficant fraction of their lives to culling though all the sources to find the best surviving lossless sources for all the shows. There were hundreds of etree ftp sites at any given time devoted to spreading the music, including collecting uploads. Lineage was meticulously traced and catalogued and md5's were put online to make sure the best sources were circulating. Now I cannot say I made any great contribution to this process, but I watched this process unfold enough to realize that it all that took a lot of time, effort and money on the part of devoted fans. Finally, everything seemed to get consolidated here. Although I don't agree, I can understand why some must feel it was all like some unintentional "honeypot sting".

I am very grateful for all of the auds and all of the other music still here, so I am sorry I had to spell that out for the people replying in all caps. I think they just don't understand the history on how all the best sources and wide variety of shows were collected in the first place.


This post was modified by guygee on 2006-01-20 08:05:11

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jan 20, 2006 12:59am
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

I didn't either, and it's been a revelation.

Thanks for the info...
Peace and happy listening, however it happens!

GC

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Jan 20, 2006 1:17am
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

Well, I'll continue buying DicksPicks and such, continue to research and discover great Aud shows here AND cross reference some of the Streaming SB's here with their availability on gdlive. Example: I just downloaded a great SB of 5/9/77 off of gdlive after reading about it here.

* peace and love abound *

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Poster: Phillydeadhead Date: Jan 24, 2006 4:23pm
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When did Weir say this? was it posted somewhere?

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jan 24, 2006 7:30pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

Comments came during a radio interview he gave in, I think, Colorado prior to a Ratdog show. I'm sure someone can provide a link to that interview, but basically it was Bob sounding EXTREMELY annoyed at those who were angry about the SBD's being taken away from this site.

At one point, referring to news of a proposed boycott of GD.NET, he said something like "for all those people who want to boycott us...good, I hope they do ...see ya", and the contempt in his voice was positively dripping.

(this is not something the moderators here are crazy about revisiting, btw...just FYI...as I said in my posting above here, I find Bob's position odd mostly b/c my assumption--w/out any proof--is that the official site actually benefits from the SBD's being on this site, and would increase, not decrease, their bottom line).

GC

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Jan 24, 2006 9:51pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: pointer to GD quotes, forum

Here are collated quotes: http://deadnews.blogspot.com/2006/01/archive-quotes.html

Here is a place where it is more appropriate to keep on venting about GD issues: http://deadnetcentral.com